MSR (Mountain Safety Research, Seattle, WA, USA, a partition of Cascade Designs) has come upward out amongst a novel stove system: The Windburner. I just got it on Friday, but I thought I'd part amongst yous a few photos every bit a sort of a "first look" at this novel stove system. This looks similar MSR's endeavour to pick out it's windproof Reactor technology to the masses too compete amongst JetBoil caput on. I'll hash out my thoughts on the Windburner vs. the Jetboil every bit good every bit the hereafter of the Reactor describe of stoves inwards a bit, but get-go let's review the features. I'll include a tabular array of element weights inwards the appendix at the end.
UPDATE, 8 Nov 2014: I've revised the element weights inwards the appendix to listing the cozy/handle assembly too the pot (bare metallic only) every bit 2 split upward figures. For those wishing to lighten the unit, the cozy could live left at home, saving 49g/1.7 oz. Likewise, the bowl could live left at home, saving 32g/1.1 oz. If both the cozy too the bowl were left at home, 1 would salve 81g/2.8 oz. Interestingly, inwards this configuration, the Windburner would live only almost 1 oz. heavier than the stated 12 oz. weight of the Jetboil Zip. Of course, if 1 had a Zip, 1 could also leave of absence behind the loving cup too cozy. I lift the weight just for comparative purposes.
UPDATE, seven Jan 2015: I've received a banker's complaint from MSR stating that production units are coming inwards heavier than the image units that the weights were calculated from. MSR gave me a range. Basically the unit of measurement I received is almost inwards the middle of that range. A weight just over sixteen ounces should live almost the weight of a unit of measurement that yous would have should yous purchase one. I mightiness add together that MSR was a flake chagrined almost the miscalculation of the weights since they attempt to live transparent almost such things. I don't yet pick out an exact number for the revised stated weight, but it should live almost 460 grams/16.2 ounces.
MSR Windburner Posts Features So hither it is, a real prissy integrated canister stove system, the MSR Windburner:
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| The novel (2014) MSR Windburner. About 104mm past times 171mm, packed. |
Packed Dimensions: The pot is almost 104 mm/4.1" broad at the lip. The lid extends out some other millimeter or so beyond the lip of the pot. The grip when folded for stowage adds almost 1 cm/0.4" to the width. When packed, the Windburner is almost 171 mm/6.7" tall. The grip when folded for stowage adds some other 5mm/0.2" to the height, but the grip is soft nylon at that indicate too it tin forcefulness out live squished down. About 2mm/0.08" is the actual jut upward to a higher identify the lid if the grip is squished down.
The get-go affair I noticed was the loving cup on the bottom. It's got a capacity of 500ml which is pretty nice. Really, it's large plenty to live used every bit a bowl every bit good every bit a cup. Throw a spoon inwards your pack, too basically you've got a consummate cooking too eating laid up. Note: The pot is anodized aluminum; it's in all probability best to exercise a plastic (or other non-metal) spoon to avoid scratching.
The cup/bowl affixes real firmly to the bottom of the pot. I can't run across that cup/bowl ever falling off within your pack. In fact, I constitute the cup/bowl annoyingly hard to remove. Perhaps it volition go easier amongst time. Maybe I'm missing something, but I remember it would live hard to take the pot amongst mittens on, at to the lowest degree spell the bowl is new. Perhaps a flake of sandpaper on the footling plastic tabs that concur the bowl on is inwards order.
The cup/bowl is marked every bit existence able to withstand temperatures upward to 220° F/105° C. In other words, the loving cup tin forcefulness out grip H2O at total boil.
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| The Windburner's cup/bowl has a capacity of 500 ml/16.9 fl oz too tin forcefulness out withstand temperatures upward to 220° F/105° C. |
Inside the cup/bowl are volumetric markings inwards both metric too English linguistic communication units.
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| The cup/bowl has both English linguistic communication too metric markings. |
The cup/bowl is large plenty to adjust a measure 110g gas canister.
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| A 110g gas canister fits within the cup/bowl |
Now, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "why the heck would I desire to set a gas canister inwards the bowl? I'm non going to consume the danged thing!" Well, quite right, but remember almost mutual depression temperature weather. An upright canister stove similar the Windburner has a cold weather lower operating bound of almost 20° F/-7°C. How produce yous safely maintain your stove going when the conditions starts approaching 20° F/-7°C? You set the canister inwards warmish H2O of course. Note: Never exercise hot water; that could live quite dangerous. Isobutane volition go on to vaporize too pick out skillful pressure level if it is kept to a higher identify that 20° F/-7°C lower limit. Water freezes at 32°F/0°C, so liquid H2O volition ever be well to a higher identify the the lower operating bound of the Windburner. As long every bit the H2O remains liquid, the canister should pick out plenty gas pressure level to run your stove well. Obviously, it's non essential to pick out the bowl live able to adjust a canister; I hateful yous could pick out a split upward bowl, right? But why bother when you've already got a bowl on hand? Multi-use is the cry of the weight saving game when you're carrying everything on your back. I remember this is a prissy characteristic for climbers or others who larn out inwards mutual depression temperature weather.
The lid from the Windburner's pot doubles every bit a lid for the bowl. And it's non a kludge either; it's a perfect fit.
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| The lid from the Windburner's pot fits perfectly on to the cup/bowl. |
Since I'm on the subject, the Windburner's pot lid is a pretty prissy lid. As yous tin forcefulness out run across inwards the to a higher identify photo, the pot lid has both a drinking hole every bit good every bit a strainer. The key hole volition back upward a java press (sold separately) for your morn brew. The lid also has a prissy tab which helps popular the lid off. The lid fits quite tightly on both the pot too the cup/bowl too volition non autumn off easily within your pack when the stove is packed.
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| The Windburner's lid has a convenient tab for tardily removal of the lid from the pot or cup/bowl. |
After looking at the cup/bowl too lid, the side past times side affair that struck me was the pot's handle.
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| The pot grip of the Windburner appears to live woven nylon containing plastic stiffeners |
Gone is the "flop over the top" grip that has been characteristic of the Reactor describe of stoves from MSR. Unlike the strap on the side of a Jetboil pot, the Windburner's grip is genuinely a handle. It tin forcefulness out live used to elevator the pot or for pouring.
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| The grip of the Windburner is strong plenty to exercise for pouring. |
One of the complaints almost the Jetboil is that their grip is really to a greater extent than of a strap. You're supposed to slide your mitt
under the strap on a Jetboil too concur the pot past times the cozy. Not so amongst the Windburner. The lower business office of the grip is affixed direct to the cozy. The grip appears to live of woven nylon amongst plastic stiffeners inside. The combination of stiffness too a fixed indicate at the base of operations of the grip gives 1 skillful leverage too control, yet the grip folds apartment for when yous desire to set it inwards your pack. Pretty nice. Good job, MSR.
The cozy itself is interesting. The cozy on a Jetboil appears to live made of neoprene amongst a nylon facing. The Windburner's cozy, from what I could tell without fierce things apart, consists of "ribs" made of some heat plastic over which is affixed a nylon cover. I banker's complaint that the nylon comprehend does pick out rather appealing artwork. If yous human face closely at the below photo, yous may live able to run across the "ribs" underlying the nylon cover.
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| The Windburner's pot cozy |
As to the pot itself, it's a nicely anodized aluminum pot. The interior of the pot has volumetric markings inwards both English linguistic communication too metric units.
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| The within of the Windburner's pot. Note volumetric markings. |
The base of operations of the pot has a Reactor type oestrus exchanger consisting of fins too exhaust vents. See my
review of the Reactor for a give-and-take of the Reactor's unique, high-efficiency oestrus exchanger organization (in Appendix II of my Reactor review). Note that the fins on the Windburner produce non radiate straight out from the center; they proceed an an angle. This is brilliant. This forces exhaust gasses along a longer oestrus exchanger fin thereby effecting a greater oestrus transfer to the pot. Note: I pick out read that the item configuration of the fins may drive air menses patterns that increase the fourth dimension that the hot exhaust is inwards contact amongst the fins too bottom of pot. I pick out no way of verifying this, thus I can't comment whatever further.
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| Heat exchanger fins on the bottom of the novel Windburner |
Now, abide by something else dissimilar almost the Windburner. Whereas Reactor pots pick out ever fit
over the burner, the Windburner pot necks downward at the bottom too fits
into the burner.
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| The oestrus exchanger assembly on a Windburner fits into the burner. |
Note also the slots on the lower rim of the pot. The pot straightaway attaches firmly to dimples on the burner. No longer is the pot held inwards identify past times gravity alone. Note hither that I'm belongings the Windburner past times the pot grip but that the burner is non falling off onto the ground.
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| The Windburner's pot affixes firmly to the burner. |
The slots on the base of operations of the Windburner adjust the dimples seen on the within rim of the burner inwards the below photo.
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| Dimples on the within of the rim of the burner sideslip into slots on the base of operations of the pot, locking the organization together |
There are only iv dimples on the within of the burner rim, but does 1 pick out to "hunt around" inwards gild to fit the dimples to the slots? No, non at all. The pot has a total dozen slots. There's practically no way to immature lady the dimples. Just insert the pot into the rim of the burner too rotate clockwise; the pot
will lock into place.
Now, regarding the burner, it's quite a flake taller than the Reactor's burner.
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| The Windburner's burner |
The burner column is protected past times a perforated stainless steel windscreen. At the base of operations of the windscreen is a "collar" past times which 1 should ever traveling steal the stove, especially when the stove is hot. One should avoid gripping the stove past times the windscreen which could deform.
Inside the windscreen is a fairly conventional looking ported burner column. Gone are the Venturi tubes that feed the Reactor's burner. There's a lot of opened upward infinite within the Windburner's windscreen.
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| A human face within the windscreen of a Windburner |
I banker's complaint that the burner has brass threads which is consistent amongst a high terminate canister gas stove. The valve command grip folds neatly dorsum over the burner's connector.
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| The Windburner has high character brass threads. The valve command grip folds neatly out of the way. |
The valve grip is quite long which mightiness live handy if 1 were wearing mittens. I suppose the long grip mightiness live prissy also if the pot boiled over too boiling H2O were running downward the sides of the pot. Of course of pedagogy you're careful, too that would never tumble out to you. But for individual else, individual a flake clumsy, it mightiness live really nice. Just saying.
The burner caput looks fairly similar to the Reactor's burner head. I produce banker's complaint that the uber cool MSR logo embedded inwards the burner is non included on the Windburner. Here's a photograph of a Reactor burner inwards use:
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| A Reactor burner. Note the MSR logo embedded inwards the burner. |
Now, compare that to the Windburner's burner. Alas, no logo.
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| The Windburner burner. No logo. |
Now, abide by something else. The Reactor's burner glows carmine evenly through out. The Windburner's burner glowed carmine only inwards the centre inwards the tests I've conducted so far. I'm non quite certain what's causing this, but clearly the Windburner's burner is a novel burner design. I'm certain the Windburner's burner pattern owes much to the Reactor, but 1 human face at the burner column, too you'll run across that this is really a novel burner.
The burner was no slacker though. I got a boil on 500 ml of H2O inwards a footling over 2:10, too it was a boil most vigorous. Please banker's complaint that I've only had the stove a few days too pick out non done an extensive battery of tests. In other words, if your Windburner doesn't boil 500 ml inwards precisely 2:10, don't live surprised.
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| 500 ml of H2O vigorously boiling on a Windburner |
Now, here's the interesting part. I wanted to run across what form of flaming command the Windburner has. One of the complaints almost the Reactor is that it's all but impossible to larn a Reactor to simmer. So, from the to a higher identify vigorous boil, when I turned the stove down, I got... a real depression simmer!
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| Simmering on a Windburner |
Now, I past times no agency pick out done an extensive battery of tests on the Windburner, but I was able to larn it to simmer repeatedly. I'm non quite prepared to go on tape (yet) every bit stating that the Windburner is a skillful simmering stove, but my preliminary tests were highly encouraging.
Included amongst the Windburner is this footling foursquare of absorbent material. This is to protect the bottom of your anodized pot.
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| A foursquare of padding comes amongst the Windburner |
Also included are some canister "legs" (a canister stand) which are real nicely designed: They're real compact but run well.
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| The included canister stand upward of the Windburner, unfolded. |
The legs flexure upward into a tidy footling triangle.
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| The canister stand upward of the Windburner, folded. |
On many stoves, a canister stand upward is a "nice to have", but isn't really necessary. The Windburner is a fairly tall laid up. I remember the canister stand upward is a skillful idea. The canister stand upward fit on every build of canister I tried, most of which are of a measure size. The 1 exception is Coleman build 220g canisters which are almost a millimeter wider than everyone else's. The Windburner's canister stand upward did fit a Coleman build canister, but it was a real tight fit.
UPDATE, seven Jan 2015: MSR has slightly changed the canister stand upward to beef upward the joints since I wrote my review. I'll attempt to larn a concur of a novel 1 too study to a greater extent than when I can.
Now, I said that the Windburner is a tall laid up. Just how tall is it? With a 110g canister too the canister stand upward attached, I mensurate it at or so 13"/ 33cm.
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| The Windburner is approx. 13"/33cm tall amongst a 110g canister too the canister stand upward attached. |
With a 227g canister too the canister stand upward attached, I mensurate it at or so 14"/ 35.6cm.
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| The Windburner is approx. 14"/35.6cm tall amongst a 227g canister too the canister stand upward attached. |
With a 450g canister too the canister stand upward attached, I mensurate it at or so 16"/ 40.6cm.
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| The Windburner is approx. 16"/40.6cm tall amongst a 450g canister too the canister stand upward attached. |
OK, so it's a fairly tall laid up, but is that a problem? In my experience, no. In the photograph below, I'm conducting what I telephone phone a tip test. I laid the Windburner on a stone at a ridiculous angle, an angle you'd never really exercise the stove at. I too so poured 500 ml of H2O into it. It didn't tip. Do banker's complaint that I carefully positioned 1 of the iii legs pointing straight downhill. Not recommended for actual cooking!
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| The tip test. It didn't (tip that is). |
Packing Up Now, every bit yous mightiness expect, everything fits together well. First, the canister legs fit over the exceed of cap on the canister. Note that non all caps are of the same size for all brands of canisters, but the leg should silent pack good fifty-fifty if they don't fit tightly on some brands of canister. That said, most canister brands are made past times a unmarried manufacturer inwards Korea too pick out the same exact cap every bit an MSR canister (except that the colouring of the cap may vary).
Update 4 Nov 2014: I just watched MSR's video on the Windburner. MSR's video shows the canister legs going inwards
last, not get-go every bit I'm suggesting here. In actual practice, either volition work, although I remember MSR's way is slightly easier. Take your pick. Note: I oft volition non watch/read materials from a stove companionship until I've had a opportunity to assess the stove myself. I desire to avoid going inwards to the review procedure amongst pre-conceived notions.
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| The canister stand upward pops snugly on to the cap of a canister. |
The the bottom of the canister fits nicely over the burner.
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| The components of a Windburner ready to go into the pot. |
Put the footling absorbent foursquare inwards the bottom of the pot too feed everything into the pot inwards the follow order: Canister stand, canister, amongst the burner last. Then popular the lid on. The fit is tight with a canister, but fit it does, too the lid is quite snug too holds everything inwards identify well. Note that only amongst a 110g sized canister tin forcefulness out all components live stored within the pot. Larger canisters volition non fit inwards the pot.
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| The MSR Windburner, all packed upward amongst a 110g canister inside. |
The Windburner vs. The Jetboil. Well, just judging past times the cry of the stove alone, it looks every bit though MSR is moving into direct contest amongst Jetboil. Heretofore, MSR confined itself to a fairly high terminate niche amongst it's highly air current resistant Reactor. The principal target audience was serious alpine climbers too the similar who needed a stove that would operate inwards high winds too melt snowfall fast – and had the agency to pay for it. The Reactor is non an cheap stove at $190.00 MSRP (1.0 L size). With the introduction of the Windburner (MSRP $130.00), MSR has introduced a far to a greater extent than affordable stove that volition appeal to a much wider audience. If the hope of the powerfulness to simmer pans out (I'm non done amongst my testing just yet), MSR may pick out a genuinely versatile stove on it's hands. Note however, that MSR is silent competing on the high end. It volition live hard for the Windburner at $130 to compete amongst the Jetboil Zip at $80. Likewise the Jetboil Flash at $100 volition live tough for the Windburner to compete against. However, Jetboil's latest offering, the Mini-Mo at $130, volition pick out to go caput to caput amongst the Windburner. May the best stove win.
Note 1: Jetboil seems to live discontinuing it's Sol stove, both the aluminum too titanium versions, thus I pick out non included the Sol inwards the to a higher identify discussion. However at $120 (aluminum version) too $150 (titanium version), the Sol's prices would seem inwards describe amongst the Windburner's.
Note 2: The Jetboil Joule is an inverted canister stove intended for wintertime conditions. It's a dissimilar course of pedagogy of stove too is non included inwards this discussion.
The Future of the Reactor Well, if I tin forcefulness out larn Reactor technology for $130 (in the Windburner), why should I pay upwards of $190 for a Reactor? Good question, but I wouldn't count the Reactor out just yet.
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Companions? Or competitors?
The MSR Reactor, left, too the MSR Windburner, right. |
I haven't completed my testing, so I'm speculating a flake here, but the Reactor appears to live the to a greater extent than powerful, to a greater extent than windproof stove. Yes, you've got Reactor technology inwards the Windburner, but that doesn't larn inwards a Reactor. I imagine there's silent a identify for the Reactor, especially for the serious alpine climber. Note also that the Reactor has a diversity of pot sizes available to it (1.0L, 1.7L, too 2.5L) whereas the Windburner only comes inwards a 1 liter size. The Windburner mightiness kill the 1.0 L Reactor (maybe), but it may non wound the larger sized Reactors. MSR could build larger pots for the Windburner burner (as Jetboil has amongst their Sumo pot), but nosotros volition pick out to hold off too run across on that. In the hateful time, I hope to acquit some Reactor vs. Windburner tests to human face at things similar speed, efficiency, too windproofness. I imagine the Reactor volition win at speed too air current resistance, but that the Windburner volition produce nearly every bit good every bit a Reactor on efficiency, but of course of pedagogy I haven't yet done the testing. Regardless of whether or non the Reactor is faster too to a greater extent than windproof, the Windburner volition cutting into Reactor sales. MSR is taking a flake of a opportunity here. They're leaving the condom harbor Reactor niche marketplace too moving out into the opened upward seas of direct contest amongst Jetboil. The Windburner has to sell good plenty to build upward for the loss of at to the lowest degree some Reactor sales every bit good every bit generate plenty revenue to comprehend production development. Good luck to MSR; competing against Jetboil inwards this infinite is no minor task.
There's our get-go human face at the novel Windburner, a real impressive stove. As always, I give thank yous you for joining me,
HJ
Appendix – Component Weights
MSR Windburner Weights | Component | Grams | Ounces |
| Pot (bare) | 147 | 5.19 |
| Cozy & Handle | 49 | 1.73 |
| Bowl | 32 | 1.13 |
| Pack Cloth | 1 | 0.04 |
| Canister Legs | 16 | 0.56 |
| Lid | 13 | 0.46 |
| Burner | 199 | 7.02 |
| Total | 457 | 16.12 |
Stated vs. Measured Weights | Grams | Ounces |
| Measured | 457 | 16.12 |
| Stated | 432 | 15.24 |
| Difference | 25 | 0.88 |
Note: "Stated" weights are the weights listed on the MSR website. "Measured" weights are those weights I measured amongst my gram scale at home. All measurements were made inwards grams. Weights inwards ounces are a calculated figure. Some rounding mistake may occur. In the example of whatever apparent discrepancy, exercise the weight inwards grams.
Commentary on weights: You'll abide by that the actual weight of the unit of measurement I received is a flake heavier than the weight stated on MSR's website. This is in all probability just due to normal variations inwards the manufacturing process. If yous read my review of the 1.0 L Reactor, you'll run across that the weight departure went the other way. The 1.0 Reactor that I received was 25 g
lighter than the stated weight. Hopefully, if 1 were to weigh several dozen Windburners, the average would live real unopen to the stated weight. Individual units are going to vary a flake every bit to weight; that's just how it is.
UPDATE, seven Jan 2015: I've received a banker's complaint from MSR stating that production units are coming inwards heavier than the image units that the weights were calculated from. MSR gave me a range. Basically the unit of measurement I received is almost inwards the middle of that range. A weight just over sixteen ounces should live almost the weight of a unit of measurement that yous would have should yous purchase one. I mightiness add together that MSR was a flake chagrined almost the miscalculation of the weights since they attempt to live transparent almost such things. I don't yet pick out an exact number for the revised stated weight, but it should live almost 460 grams/16.2 ounces.
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